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after watching this I'm not sure what to think. I can see Khan being a good resource for student to refer too almost like a tutor - but its scary to think these boring lessons and activities will be replacing dynamic hands-on teachers.
He'Atid is not employing the "Khan Model" nor is it replacing teachers with "boring lessons" from computers. Then again, if you haven't realized this point by now there is little point in me or anyone else trying to convince you otherwise. Just go on believing whatever it is that you want about He'Atid and I'll go on saving many thousands of dollars a year by sending my children there. To each his own!
According to Heatid website - they will be using online curriculum & flipped model. so which computer based curriculum is he'atid following and using during their Small group lesson time. I doubt they plan on paying for this....
"He'Atid is not employing the "Khan Model"". Actually, that's exactly what they are doing. It was mentioned repeatedly in their presentations, and is featured on their website. The reason so many use it is simple; it's free! The real question is, will this work at a pre-school or early grade level? I don't know, but it seems sort of overwhelming for a young child. If we take this to an extreme, why do we need schools at all? Let the kids learn from home and have a teacher IM or call them if they need to talk. Is this really the direction we want to send our kids? Is it any wonder that Heatid is having such a hard time hiring teachers?
actually Abe, I didn't see this as a post about He'atid, but about the video model of Khan, part of which will be a foundational aspect to the approach of He'atid. You create a strawman when you impute on others the idea that He'Atid is employing the Khan model, and then deny that (false) assertion. The full Khan model includes the various assessments and monitoring in the classroom which is being piloted out in California and which I think is a boondoggle. And will He'Atid, by adopting a fraction of that boondoggle via videos and flipped classes, import some problems? Maybe, unless they avoid the problems by inserting the flipped classroom within a more complete and responsible product.
HeAtid does plan to use a partly flipped model, where children will use online curriculum for some of their instruction (along with live instruction, and group instruction/projects, which is why it isn't a pure flipped model, and more of a hybrid). Will Khan Academy's videos be used? HeAtid hasn't said yet, though they obviously consider Khan a model worth emulating since they have had links to it from the first day of HeAtid's website. HeAtid has also said that they intend to use dashboards that track student progress - though, again, it isn't clear if they're using Khan Academy's specific technology. HeAtid told prospective parents what its broad outline for how it plans to educate its students, but it has not revealed the specifics of its curriculum yet, which it obviously aims to finalize before school opens in September. If you're not comfortable with that, there are plenty of other local options for your K - 1 grader.
HeAtid's marketing has been absolutely masterful. Their staunchest supporters don't even know what they are buying. Abe insists that they are not using the khan model when their website and communication has lauded this approach constantly. Speak to any of the founders and you will hear whatever you want to hear. You want low cost, we got it - you want expensive technology, we got it - you want few administrators, we got it - you want a lot of administrators, we got it. How are you going to do it, come back later, we don't know yet. In the meantime they are creating the most expensive low cost school in the history of bergen county, raising millions to keep tuition low for a small number of students. PT Barnum can't hold a candle to these guys.
When I saw that, I thought that this was the most impressive thing I've seen in education in a long time. I went and watched some of the videos, OUTSTANDING work.
Totally brilliant. In terms of flipped model, WAY better to have students watch lectures at home and do assignments in class where a teacher/coach can help them than to watch live lectures at school and have them do assignments at home where a parent can help them.
Dual-income households, immigrant parents, non-college educated parents can ALL supervise their children watching a video to learn material, they can't equally help children with their homework.
Beyond that, why does every high school in North America need to pay a teacher to give Chemistry lectures, when a few online academies can offer them cheaply and each student can get the same lecture.
There is a reason Bill Gates is a big supporter, this is an absolutely amazing way to teach math and science concepts.
Al, I say this with the utmost respect -- I don't know you and am sure that you make your statements with the best of intentions but you have to trust me on this -- you are way off.
While the idea of asking students to do prep work at home to be ready for classroom analysis and discussion (specifically in a reading science or a history or English class) has a long tradition, using these videos for any consistent first-look teaching is a huge mistake.
As I mentioned, I have serious questions pointing out flaws in the methodology, flaws that have been reviewed and validated by other professional educators. And this isn't a case of teachers circling the wagons; this is a case of professionals who have thought through the issue and can spot deficiencies.
And, as of yet, Khan Academy hasn't answered my email.
One thing that has to be considered is the quality of the teacher. We've all had great teachers and poor teachers - usually in the same school; sometimes even in the same grade.
Give me a good-to-great teacher over videos any day. But a well-produced video might easily out-educate a mediocre teacher.
When did you send out the email? Was it in response to the 60 Minutes report - because that just came out a few days ago & I'm sure in response to it they've been flooded with emails.
yes, it was in response so maybe they have been swamped. I can wait. But what is interesting is that I had all these same questions beforehand and I can't believe that they haven't been peppered with similar concerns for a while. maybe the questions are coming up more because their quirky little tutoring tool is being introduced as the backbone of an attempt at teaching.
'These comments are silly. Because Abe doesn't want to explain on a blog about He'atid no one who is going knows what it is or what their kids will be learning. The people at He'atid have been very good at describing the model - at their open house and at numerous parlor meetings not to mention small group orientations with Rabbi Gralla. If you went to any of these meetings you might know that using Kahn or his style of learning with computers is only about a third of He'atids model - other parts include regular teacher / circle time and group collaberation and learning. And if the model of blended learning is so bad then I wonder what the other schools are goingf to do since Noam, BPY and Yavneh are all telling parents how they are going to use blended learning - how they are using computers to track learning, etc. The only difference is that they can't lower costs to do it. Stop commenting on how awful it is, the dangers it poses. Wait and see how He'tid works out.
Olivia - yes, all the schools have been using blended learning for years - before there was a term for it. All "blended" means is using a mix of various teaching techniques, that include technology. Smartboards have been in the classrooms for years - its a form of blended learning. The schools have not touted this technology component is the same way he'atid does because they aren't using it to the extent that heatid plans too.
Heatid can't lower costs doing it either - they have massive money backing their small operation. That isn't lowering the true cost, it just means they are better fundraisers.
1/3 of heatids model is based on khan - that's alot condiering khan doesn't cover 50% of the curriculum - the judaic piece.
anon2 - i am sending my daughter for first grade and am paying $9000 this year. what other school would i be paying that little at? Every school has start up costs - they have a financial model that tracks these costs and has a break even point (right - i know - you are a financial expert and know it wont work). And there are computer programs for Hebrew curriculum - this too was discussed at the parlor meetings and open house and they will be used at well in the school. It seems to me you and others are commenting without really having gone to any meetings or met with any administrators (which all of the parents who have signed their kids up have done). And yes, I know - other schools have been using blended learning for years!! then again, the crowd that is debating He'atid on this site is the same crowd who thougth BPY is great because they are able to keep their tuition at about $17k per year. That is a real accomplishment as so many are really able to pay that.
There is no reason to waste your breath debating these people about He'Atid. Just do what I am doing and enjoy the $9k you will be saving next year by sending there. I attended all their meetings and was most impressed by Rabbi Gralla and the school's model. If people don't want to send there then they are in luck because there are at least 5 legacy schools in town that they can send to so they shouldn't feel any pressure to send to He'Atid. Like I said in my original post, to each his own!
I find it hysterical to hear the debate of what tools He'Atid is going to use, or how they are going to leverage technology to reduce costs, or how they define blended learning. While their website and their public meetings have been very high level and more marketing than meat, they are more specific when it comes to private dialogs with registered, or prospective, parents. They have no need to pander to the general public, as it is just noise for a handful of people doing a lot of work to ensure a successful launch.
I also find it funny that a lone person expects to email Khan and get a full explanation of their model and how they respond to those who quote studies saying they are ineffective. If they really wanted to have such a debate, they would have it in a professional setting, not answering one-offs from random people who think they know something
Interesting points sal but you miss a few subtleties. I am not looking for a full explanation of anything. I am looking for an accounting in the face of actual problems that any teacher can spot in a system which is based on the model shown in the video clip. I expect an answer because they solicit questions and if they don't intend to answer then the form for questions is just so much empty PR fluff and this speaks poorly to their academic integrity. Also, I don't recall quoting any studies about the ineffectiveness of any particular model -- his or otherwise.
I think I know what I'm doing because I am actually doing it and have been well trained through educational programs and actual life experiences to do it. Salman Khan hasn't. Nor has he made a fuss about hiring educators. He has, though, hired engineers and web wonks to brush up his software and web presence. I would love to have a debate in a professional setting except I am not looking for a debate but an explanation. I want to be convinced. Care to fly me to the west coast and set something up? I'm pretty sure I know what he would answer, though to my questions. And it wouldn't be useful.
So instead of criticizing someone who knows more than you do, appreciate that my concerns about the video and the Khan model come from actual field work and not pontificating behind a keyboard, and that I, too, with He'Atid good luck and (as stated) hope they implement the best aspects of the flipped model of KhAc while avoiding the pedagogical mistakes that the video (and the website) somehow ignore.
Olivia, At least you are being honest that it is about the money. I have met with the founders regarding their financial model and there are so many false assumptions and under estimates in it. I attended their open house but was not impressed by their well organized presentation that lacked any substance. I know other educators that have met with the founders as well and the knowledge that they had about education and classroom/student needs was alarmingly lacking. This is why I have chosen not to send my child there.
At least you are being honest that it is about the money.
Of course it's about "the money"! If we all had unlimited funds and didn't have any concerns about "the money", there would be no "tuition crisis" in the first place.
I know some of the founders and can verify they do not know the nuances of education. They will even admit it. Now if you wish to indict the knowledge of their principal and their educational consultant, then that is another story. Feel free to have it out with them.
...... - actually nowhere in my post did I say it was just about the money. I am happy to save the money when I am impressed with a principal and a program. I dont need to spend money just because someone wants to charge me a lot for something i can get cheaper (and perhaps better) You are welcome to your legacy schools. It looks like parents of 3 classes of Preks, at least 2Ks and 1 first grade disagree with you. As do numerous financial donors and other educators and communities across the country who have expressed interest in seeing how the model works out.. (I wonder how connected these educators you talk about are to our legacy schools - surely you must realize that they are biased - that these educators are concerned about their schools adn the effect on their schools. Surely as well you must realize that He'atid has already had a positive effect of putting pressure on these schools to keep their tuition down and to now tout what technology they have and use - i know - they have been using it for years).
Critics of He'atid fall into the following categories in my opinion: 1. Teachers and Administrators in our current legacies who are threatened by the potential success of He'Atid as it will most certainly affect enrollment in their schools (note: these people are receiving significant discounts in tuition (if not free tuition), so the lower price tag doesn't mean anything to them 2. People who can well-afford their $16k tuitions, like the current system, and criticize HeAtid for rocking the boat. Many are lay leaders heavily invested in their current legacies and feel threatened as the staff above do. 3. People who can or cannot afford their $16K tuitions and feel stupid for sticking with their current legacy, but still do for social or whatever other reasons, so they bash He'Atid to make themselves feel better 4. Lazy people who just repeat what they hear, spread rumors, and generally give their opinions about things they know nothing about
This should not be mistaken for people who just prefer their current schools. I know many people who have wished HeAtid well, but prefer to stay with the legacy model and I respect that. They don't feel the need to bash He'Atid though to feel validated. They can respect that there is a different, more affordable model in town, and either chose to say nothing about it, or in some cases, applaud the effort just because it's good for the Jews.
Jane, your 4 categories miss at least 1 -- people who have serious and well researched concerns about the model and methods and are raising real world concerns which have yet to be answered. It might be uncomfortable to think that some people have those concerns and, even though they wish He'Atid luck, are still not convinced by the website, the handouts and the presentations.
But we exist, and trying to paint us into one of your marginalizable categories won't diminish the validity of our informed opinions. I have raised my questions (through an intermediary) to the He'Atid higher ups and got the "we're not really sure" answer from them. My Khan concerns? Well, I don't know how else to raise them to the KhAc other than through an email. I'm not important enough to merit a 60 minutes spot. Unless you know someone. If so, please send a camera crew to my house and I'll make my case. Otherwise, I'll use the method that the KhAc says to use -- the website.
Jane - supporters of Heatid fall into 2 categories - 1. people like Abe who are sending there but really don't understand what they are buying but it sounds good and is cheap so they are happy and 2. board members and founders like yourself and Olivia (are you the same) who claim to be too busy to spend time on blogs but keep a close eye on things to bash anyone who questions the hype.
Funny - at least you live up to your name! that must be right - the parents of about 60 prek kids, at least 40 K kids and at least 20 1st grade kids all are sending there becuase they dont understand what they are buying into and it sounds good and is cheap (I assume you spoke to ALL of them) and anyone who supports He'atid - like the donors (hey - i dont see these donors giving to the legacy schools) and the board members and other members of communities who are interested in seeing as it goes are only bashing people who question the hype. If the questions are serious - you dont go on a blog to do it - you meet with the principal and educational consultant. And it if you want to go on a blog and get answers then why quesiton all the answers you are given. People on the blog who are sending have stated they are impressed with the model and the principal. Yet you say they have no idea why they are sending. And it is hard to take the comments seriously when people who are commenting - like the person above who said computers wouldn't be used for Hebrew - really dont know what they are talking about.
Ralphie (Olivia? Jane?) - sorry I couldn't respond faster, you see I'm an administrator and teacher at one of the "legacy" schools who can well afford yeshiva tuition because I get discounts but don't have to worry about it because I made millions in hedge funds (and live on winthrop) before I went into the yeshiva business to earn my next billion.
But since you asked, I had a few minutes and surveyed the thousands of those stupid and lazy parents in the current legacy schools that Jane (you?) referenced above and they told me that they really don't feel stupid about sending their kids to my legacy schools but love the schools and are happy with the results. I didn't ask them about He'Atid because they are too stupid to understand the website, facebook posts and tweets that obviously don't really explain what the school is about and they are too lazy to go to a meeting with the administrator or consultants the school has hired.
I have absolutely no idea if HeAtid's model is good or sustainable.
But, I have a question for those people who find fault with it: what exactly is the solution to the exorbitant costs at the existing yeshivas? Does an educational model exist that allows for significantly reduced costs? He'Atid stands for the proposition that with a different educational model less staff is needed and therefore the education costs less. If you don't agree with exactly what He'Atid itself is doing, do you think it's possible to tweak the education in some way to provide a quality education that is also cheaper?
Some suggest that He'Atid is cheaper merely because they have greater financial backing and donations. Is this then the solution? Finding more money to pump into the schools? The question, of course, is from where?
It seems like many people believe the existing schools are doing the best that is humanly possible to bring a high quality education at the lowest possible cost and are already doing the utmost to raise funds and bring in donations. If that is the case, where does that leave us exactly?
All of the Heatid families that I know personally (about 10-12) have all said that if every school was the same price - they would NOT choose Heatid, they would choose a legacy. I think that says ALOT about their model.
legacy lover - that is not surprising. why try a new school when you have a proven product. but price is a factor, and hence a decisions need to be made with price in mind (just like you did when choosing a car or house). i think what you can take away from your polling is that parents are more "model agnostic" than we think. in a sense you can say that price is really a major concern of people, and splitting hairs over speaking hebrew better, academic excellence, better middot, or any of the other nuances the legacy schools try to explain as differentiators, are really not as pertenant on people's minds as much as cost. you can test this by asking a yavneh parent, for example, if BPY dropped its price to $9,000 would they switch. if they say yes, then it shows the "special-ness" of yavneh is not worth a certain amount of money.
This is actually a funny example. We chose BPY over Yavneh even though Yavneh was cheaper. Why? The 1-2 K price difference was not enough to sway me to an inferior (IMO) program.
my point is that price plays a major factor in choosing a school, whether we want to admit it or not. we may all be big-shots and stretch ourselves an extra $1-2k here or there, but if the savings are large enough, people would be willing to give up their "favorite" style. as all the legacy schools' prices are within spitting difference, we all sound so smart in terms of how we chose the "best fit" for our kids, but if the gap was much wider (as it is to he'atid), then "best fit" for our kid turns into "best fit" for the family.
does anyone really feel if their kid was not in the "best fit" school, and had to go to a different one, that life would turn out radically different? just because you like7up, and the restaurant only has sprite, are you really going to have a much different dining experience?
Funny, That Guy, Annon, Annon2, etc you must all be the same person. See how useful this blog is for serious discussion! again you have parents of 3 full preks, at least 2 ks and 1 first grade who found reason not to send to legacy. Some of you might have talked to 10-12 and they like the price. I know of at least 10 families who are wealthy and could afford tuition anywhere and are chosing this. Where are we getting exactly with this discussion?? If people want to send to He'atid I am sure they have their reasons and frankly need to justify it to themselves, not to others. If people are so certain that legacy schools are so good and He'atid is so bad - send to legacy - why feel threatened - surely those sending to He'atid will figure out what a bad product they have! But your bashing of He'atid shows there is something else going on here - some sort of insecurity or feeling threatened. Because if He'atid was so bad, you would know it would just collapse in a year and would have no affect on the legacy schools.
TnkGuy I hear you on the 1-2k. But what about a 7-8k difference multiplied by 2-3 children. Is that enought to consider switching? What if in the end the school is not inferior but the same?
Sure, we'd maybe consider trying it in 4 years for Pre-K for our youngest. He'd probably be in one of the shul or daycare programs for Pre-K anyway. But my oldest child is too old.
Does anyone here remember SRA cards? While they were low tech, they are pretty much the same approach as the Khan Academy. I would work through the cards in reading or Math (and maybe other areas) at my own pace. When I successfully finished a unit (by color?), my teacher, Mrs. Brownman, would give me a prize. If I had any trouble, she was always around during SRA time to help me understand the lesson. The Khan Academy improvement is to use the magic of computers to make the lessons come more alive, but this sort of differentiated learning has been around for a very long time (and was very successful for my peers and myself).
Yeshiva Dad, thanks for confirming that I'm "different". I like to believe that I'm unique - but why label things ;-) . So, can you confirm if Ralphie, Olivia and Jane are different or one person with an identity crisis?
Here's the good news: He'atid is essentially the guinea pig. If it's the fantastic failure that some think it's going to be, we're back where we started. No real harm done. If it is wildly successful, the legacies will borrow some of their techniques.
My guess is it will land somewhere in the middle, and He'atid will manage the bumpy course that every new endeavor must face. There will be opportunities for the legacies to learn from He'atid's experiences and siphon off the best ideas.
He'atid will probably use dreambox learning for their younger grades based on the rocketship model. As for Khan, probably is not useful below 4th grade although I can attest as an admin who implimented it in 4th-6th grade, it does work amazingly well.
future of education, it’s interesting to think a little bit about the past of education. If you were to go back 500 years, very few people got an education. But those that did, say a prince, a member of the nobility, tended to get a pretty good education.
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thatguy · 680 weeks ago
there are so many questions and problems with this model. Strangely, aside from the auto responder, no one at khan has answered my inquiries.
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Abe · 680 weeks ago
anon · 680 weeks ago
According to Heatid website - they will be using online curriculum & flipped model.
so which computer based curriculum is he'atid following and using during their
Small group lesson time. I doubt they plan on paying for this....
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Miami Al · 680 weeks ago
Totally brilliant. In terms of flipped model, WAY better to have students watch lectures at home and do assignments in class where a teacher/coach can help them than to watch live lectures at school and have them do assignments at home where a parent can help them.
Dual-income households, immigrant parents, non-college educated parents can ALL supervise their children watching a video to learn material, they can't equally help children with their homework.
Beyond that, why does every high school in North America need to pay a teacher to give Chemistry lectures, when a few online academies can offer them cheaply and each student can get the same lecture.
There is a reason Bill Gates is a big supporter, this is an absolutely amazing way to teach math and science concepts.
Thanks for posting this video!
thatguy · 680 weeks ago
While the idea of asking students to do prep work at home to be ready for classroom analysis and discussion (specifically in a reading science or a history or English class) has a long tradition, using these videos for any consistent first-look teaching is a huge mistake.
As I mentioned, I have serious questions pointing out flaws in the methodology, flaws that have been reviewed and validated by other professional educators. And this isn't a case of teachers circling the wagons; this is a case of professionals who have thought through the issue and can spot deficiencies.
And, as of yet, Khan Academy hasn't answered my email.
CJ Srullowitz · 680 weeks ago
Give me a good-to-great teacher over videos any day. But a well-produced video might easily out-educate a mediocre teacher.
Yeshiva_Dad 69p · 680 weeks ago
When did you send out the email? Was it in response to the 60 Minutes report - because that just came out a few days ago & I'm sure in response to it they've been flooded with emails.
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anon2 · 680 weeks ago
Heatid can't lower costs doing it either - they have massive money backing their small operation. That isn't lowering the true cost, it just means they are better fundraisers.
1/3 of heatids model is based on khan - that's alot condiering khan doesn't cover 50% of the curriculum - the judaic piece.
Olivia · 680 weeks ago
Abe · 680 weeks ago
There is no reason to waste your breath debating these people about He'Atid. Just do what I am doing and enjoy the $9k you will be saving next year by sending there. I attended all their meetings and was most impressed by Rabbi Gralla and the school's model. If people don't want to send there then they are in luck because there are at least 5 legacy schools in town that they can send to so they shouldn't feel any pressure to send to He'Atid. Like I said in my original post, to each his own!
salman khan · 680 weeks ago
I also find it funny that a lone person expects to email Khan and get a full explanation of their model and how they respond to those who quote studies saying they are ineffective. If they really wanted to have such a debate, they would have it in a professional setting, not answering one-offs from random people who think they know something
Good luck to He'Atid.
thatguy · 680 weeks ago
I think I know what I'm doing because I am actually doing it and have been well trained through educational programs and actual life experiences to do it. Salman Khan hasn't. Nor has he made a fuss about hiring educators. He has, though, hired engineers and web wonks to brush up his software and web presence. I would love to have a debate in a professional setting except I am not looking for a debate but an explanation. I want to be convinced. Care to fly me to the west coast and set something up? I'm pretty sure I know what he would answer, though to my questions. And it wouldn't be useful.
So instead of criticizing someone who knows more than you do, appreciate that my concerns about the video and the Khan model come from actual field work and not pontificating behind a keyboard, and that I, too, with He'Atid good luck and (as stated) hope they implement the best aspects of the flipped model of KhAc while avoiding the pedagogical mistakes that the video (and the website) somehow ignore.
.... · 680 weeks ago
At least you are being honest that it is about the money.
I have met with the founders regarding their financial model and there are so many false assumptions and under estimates in it. I attended their open house but was not impressed by their well organized presentation that lacked any substance. I know other educators that have met with the founders as well and the knowledge that they had about education and classroom/student needs was alarmingly lacking. This is why I have chosen not to send my child there.
Mark · 680 weeks ago
Of course it's about "the money"! If we all had unlimited funds and didn't have any concerns about "the money", there would be no "tuition crisis" in the first place.
salman khan · 680 weeks ago
I know some of the founders and can verify they do not know the nuances of education. They will even admit it. Now if you wish to indict the knowledge of their principal and their educational consultant, then that is another story. Feel free to have it out with them.
Olivia · 680 weeks ago
Jane · 680 weeks ago
1. Teachers and Administrators in our current legacies who are threatened by the potential success of He'Atid as it will most certainly affect enrollment in their schools (note: these people are receiving significant discounts in tuition (if not free tuition), so the lower price tag doesn't mean anything to them
2. People who can well-afford their $16k tuitions, like the current system, and criticize HeAtid for rocking the boat. Many are lay leaders heavily invested in their current legacies and feel threatened as the staff above do.
3. People who can or cannot afford their $16K tuitions and feel stupid for sticking with their current legacy, but still do for social or whatever other reasons, so they bash He'Atid to make themselves feel better
4. Lazy people who just repeat what they hear, spread rumors, and generally give their opinions about things they know nothing about
This should not be mistaken for people who just prefer their current schools. I know many people who have wished HeAtid well, but prefer to stay with the legacy model and I respect that. They don't feel the need to bash He'Atid though to feel validated. They can respect that there is a different, more affordable model in town, and either chose to say nothing about it, or in some cases, applaud the effort just because it's good for the Jews.
thatguy · 680 weeks ago
But we exist, and trying to paint us into one of your marginalizable categories won't diminish the validity of our informed opinions. I have raised my questions (through an intermediary) to the He'Atid higher ups and got the "we're not really sure" answer from them. My Khan concerns? Well, I don't know how else to raise them to the KhAc other than through an email. I'm not important enough to merit a 60 minutes spot. Unless you know someone. If so, please send a camera crew to my house and I'll make my case. Otherwise, I'll use the method that the KhAc says to use -- the website.
Funny · 680 weeks ago
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Funny · 680 weeks ago
But since you asked, I had a few minutes and surveyed the thousands of those stupid and lazy parents in the current legacy schools that Jane (you?) referenced above and they told me that they really don't feel stupid about sending their kids to my legacy schools but love the schools and are happy with the results. I didn't ask them about He'Atid because they are too stupid to understand the website, facebook posts and tweets that obviously don't really explain what the school is about and they are too lazy to go to a meeting with the administrator or consultants the school has hired.
JS (hello) · 680 weeks ago
But, I have a question for those people who find fault with it: what exactly is the solution to the exorbitant costs at the existing yeshivas? Does an educational model exist that allows for significantly reduced costs? He'Atid stands for the proposition that with a different educational model less staff is needed and therefore the education costs less. If you don't agree with exactly what He'Atid itself is doing, do you think it's possible to tweak the education in some way to provide a quality education that is also cheaper?
Some suggest that He'Atid is cheaper merely because they have greater financial backing and donations. Is this then the solution? Finding more money to pump into the schools? The question, of course, is from where?
It seems like many people believe the existing schools are doing the best that is humanly possible to bring a high quality education at the lowest possible cost and are already doing the utmost to raise funds and bring in donations. If that is the case, where does that leave us exactly?
Legacy Lover · 680 weeks ago
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cost is king · 680 weeks ago
does anyone really feel if their kid was not in the "best fit" school, and had to go to a different one, that life would turn out radically different? just because you like7up, and the restaurant only has sprite, are you really going to have a much different dining experience?
Live and Let . . . . · 680 weeks ago
Yeshiva_Dad 69p · 680 weeks ago
You are right about anon & anon2. Funny & thatguy are different however.
-YD
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Yeshiva_Dad 69p · 680 weeks ago
People let's try to stick to one alias apiece. Makes for a much better discussion.
CJ Srullowitz · 680 weeks ago
My guess is it will land somewhere in the middle, and He'atid will manage the bumpy course that every new endeavor must face. There will be opportunities for the legacies to learn from He'atid's experiences and siphon off the best ideas.
NJD · 678 weeks ago
School Jakarta · 303 weeks ago