In the wake of the horrible tragedy in Connecticut there's been a lot of talk about making schools safer. I think some good suggestions that aren't crazy expensive include having every classroom door have a lock on it, having shades on all windows and the classroom door window, and having emergency pull stations in every classroom that automatically calls the police & sets of an alarm to alert everyone in the building.
There have also been some absurd suggestions, like having every kindergarten teacher come to class with a loaded gun every day.
The real question is do we spend the money to fully secure the building against a crazed armed gunman. My answer is no. It is simply not practical. A crazed gunman can simply shoot a guard and shoot glass to get in. To really secure a building you would need multiple highly trained armed guards.
Even with emotions running high we must think rationally. Can we really protect ourselves 100% against every potential danger? Sometimes it's just up to the man upstairs.
There's been some criticism about schools charging a "security fee" along with other junk fees. Personally I think it's good that this cost is broken out separately from tuition and other expenses. I think parents are more willing to pay extra if they know the money is being used to keep their kids safe. If it's just built into regular tuition parents might assume the money is going towards superfluous administration, assistant teachers or extra-curricular programs.
Trying to bring sanity to the discussion of Yeshiva Day School tuition in Bergen County, NJ
Tuesday, December 18, 2012
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How Much Should Be Spent on Security?
2012-12-18T13:19:00-05:00
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End Welfare · 640 weeks ago
I was saying the exact same thing to someone last night. Those who think their kids are safer because some older guy is sitting at the front desk with a handgun are deluding themselves. It is all a waste of money unless you are going to invest in paying 5 or 6 heavily-armed ppl to guard your kids' school (and even then there are no guarantees). In other words, you simply aren't getting bang for your buck with your "security fee" imho.
guest · 640 weeks ago
no way to truly protect against crazy people set on killing.
Also a Guest · 640 weeks ago
However, I do want to say this. And I'm sure it will ruffle some feathers. But do allow me to say this: if anyone is gonna argue for/against/etc. gun control, mental health, or any other issue. Please know your facts and have your information straight. We're all upset and emotionally affected by this massacre, but facts are still facts: Connecticut HAS strong gun control laws. Criminals will still find a way to purchase guns. Gun violence is not committed using legal guns. It sounds cliche, but "guns don't kill people; people do." You can tighten up gun laws all you want, that will not stop violence and will only make it harder for citizens to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. Connecticut allows Concealed Carry- just not in school-buildings. Many people believe, and are now saying, that had the teachers been allowed their Concealed Carry at work (in school) this could have been stopped/lessened. And no, this doesn't mean "everyone walks around with guns strapped to them"- look up the law before you argue. (And by no means am I saying that god forbid anyone is at fault for not stopping him, etc...) We have enough laws, we need to worry about ENFORCING them. The issue isn't the tool used to commit this horrific crime, it's the disturbed, sick, inhumane individual. And yes, you may argue back with: "Well, saying that 'sickos will still get guns so we don't need gun laws' is like saying 'people will still commit crimes, so why bother having police officers?' Or 'why have DWI laws? People are still going to get boozed up and get behind the wheel!" which is not what I'm saying, but FACTUALLY, cities and states with the toughest gun laws, tend to have higher violent-crime rates. I'm sorry, but I stand with those who agree that this is not a "gun-control" issue. I think this discussion is far from over, there are many, many implications, etc. and sadly- every time a tragedy like this strikes, gun-laws become the "hot topic", and then the issue goes away for a little while, then comes back, then goes away, then comes back. Again, I think we have enough laws, we need to enforce them better....And and wow I hate to say this out loud, but I think that a person on this kind of "mission" is, sadly, unstoppable...Take away guns, so he would have strapped a bomb to himself...I mean (disgustingly in this case) where there's a will there's a way. This guy had pathway- then warning- behavior that wasn't addressed, dealt with, recognized, I don't know the story- no one does- but obviously this was planned. It was calculated. And I don't think anything would have stopped him...Now they're saying why did the mother have military-grade weapons if she wasn't a shooter or hunter- they're asking why did she not have just your "basic" pistol/s, so that the magazines would kill less people... It's just so awful. Now they're saying that the mother was a frequent drinker, "hid" info on her life (which fine, we all have "secrets") about her son, and now everyone is questioning WHY, if she had a mentally-ill son, were there guns in the house...Of course I"m not BLAMING her...but there is a lot more to this story and people linked to it/him, and I'm sure we'll all be shaking our heads in the next few weeks....So now guns are being blamed, mental-health issues are being questioned/blamed, and the mother's behavior is being dug into and scrutinized....So awful as they began burying the kids today...*sigh* there are plenty of mentally-ill people who don't go shooting up schools....or movie theaters...or become snipers...It's very interesting how the human mind works and how the FEEL of security doesn't really change the fact that an area is/isn't secure....Seeing a security guard at a school is great- you feel safe, someone is there to protect you, etc. which is all wonderful, however in reality- and sadly- I agree that if someone wants to get in, they'll get in. Again, I"m not saying forget locking doors or not take any measures; of course not- but I think that some sad truths/realities must be understood.
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End Welfare · 640 weeks ago
You probably also are the one that thought it was unwise to discuss the excess admins' salaries and thought that we should all contact our schools directly about that issue as well. Good thing nobody listened to legacy ppl like you or our community wouldn't be blessed with Heatid.
Anonymous · 640 weeks ago
End Welfare · 640 weeks ago
Right. And I put your children at risk by saying some schools have old geezers sitting by the front desk half-asleep with some ghetto handgun that couldn't kill a squirrel, let alone a heavily armed psycho with a sub-machine gun.
Anonymous · 640 weeks ago
End Welfare · 640 weeks ago
I have absolutely nothing to do with Heatid on any level. I do have an axe to grind with the legacy schools though for ripping off no fewer than two to three generations of Jews in bergen county.
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ahavat chesed · 640 weeks ago
End Welfare · 640 weeks ago
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Teaneck Forever · 640 weeks ago
No one is stopping you. Stop bitching and just leave! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
guest · 640 weeks ago
guest · 640 weeks ago
We send our kids to public school and are very happy. I wish others would consider it as an option.
guest · 640 weeks ago
guest · 640 weeks ago
If I wanted an excellent public school education, I'd move to tenafly and call it a day.
I don't get this "ripoff"
signing your kid up at yeshiva and comparing it to public school is like saying "i went to the store to but an apple, and what i got was an apple - damn store ripped me off because i really wanted an orange! "
let's stop whining already.
guest · 640 weeks ago
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