Wednesday, July 24, 2013

SAR Principal Responds to He'atid High

From SAR Principal Rabbi Binyamin Krauss:

Dear Gershon and Jeff,

So let me get this straight- the current schools are bad and expensive.  Kids don't feel engaged- they told you so.  And they don't like tests.   You are going to build a new school.  What will it stand for?  

Learning- The kids will learn what they want. Will there be a curriculum?  Will there be any expectations, in terms of skills, on your graduates?  How will those expectations be assessed? In the survey you referenced, less than 30% of respondents were interested in learning Tanach or Gemara, and less than 40% were interested in history or science.  Less than 25% were interested in literature.  Will these courses be absent in your school?  Will they be optional? Over 60% of the respondents felt that critical thinking is taught in their current schools, yet you make the claim that your school will be different as it will focus on critical thinking? Does that add up?

Commitment-    Will tefilla be optional or mandatory? Will there be a dress code? Kippot? Tzitzit? For the boys and the girls, just the boys, or neither? What is your plan for inspiring a passion for yiddishkeit? Will all of your graduates be committed to observance? Will none of them text on shabbos? Will you accept students from families with varying levels of commitment? How will you balance the 21st century need for individualism and choice with a commitment to religion which sometimes requires blind faith, surrender, obedience, and individual sacrifice?

Cost-  how will you attract quality teachers?  Will the compensation you offer be competitive? Will the co-curricular activities that allow kids to follow their passions, make choices among a broad variety of options, be available? Will they cost extra?  Will you be able to offer foreign language courses that will allow these kids to compete in the global economy? Will you have the facilities to allow kids to whose passions are not "traditional" to find themselves? Will you offer STEM for those future engineers among our kids? Will the additional focus on psychology, business, and film (as per the interests of the survey respondents) come at no additional cost?  Will all of what you will offer be included in the cost of tuition or will you pursue outside funding to make it happen?

Clientele- you say that you are open to everything, and would open a separate school or a coed school, and a range of different outlooks.  Have you thought about what you will do when all agree that they want the cheaper school, but otherwise have different and mutually exclusive demands for how that school will look- in terms of many of the questions that the modern/centrist orthodox community today do not agree about? 

Gershon and Jeff- I truly admire your passion and your desire to make Jewish education better, in terms of cost and quality.  I admire your commitment and your ability to implement your vision with the founding of Yeshivat heatid and WTA, and the AJE project to help others follow your lead.  I truly hope that all of these initiatives will be successful, and that the legacy schools will learn from your ideas, with regard to blended learning and other efficiencies.  Time will tell whether it is possible to offer high quality education for half the price.  I am skeptical. But your hearts are in the right place and I hope that this will all be good for the broader community.  

Yet your recent letter to all 7th grade parents, in my opinion, lacks a dose of humility, candor, reflection, and respect for the legacy schools, and I find that sad.  You raise important issues including commitment to observance and passion for Torah learning, blended and project based learning needs, and different kinds of assessments.  But to claim, on the basis of one year of the existence of a pre school and first grade in Teaneck, that you have now identified the solution to all of the challenges of yeshiva day schools, and that you can implement it for half the price, is presumptuous, and unimpressive.  Unfortunately, critiquing is easier than doing, and the easiest part of any construction project is ripping up the existing structures.  Much more challenging is building the new in ways that work.  

A lot of thought has gone into developing thoughtful and observant students, making tefilla meaningful, and engaging kids in their learning through technology, project based learning, and other models. Some initiatives have worked.  Some less so.  A glance at lookjed, the list-serve facilitated by the Lookstein Center at Bar Ilan with membership of over 3000 educators, will reveal some of the thoughtful ideas out there that are being tried, in real schools, with real kids. There is always more to be done.  If you have ideas, beyond identifying the problems and promising solutions without outlining them, please share them.  And if you think that your vision can only be actualized in a new institution, then create one, and let us learn.  But your letter sounds like a good campaign speech, with hollow promises that lack details, and are sure to disappoint. Your blending of the issues of cost with the issues of engagement, commitment, and passion feel like you are simply trying to push a lot of buttons to reach the widest audience possible, and then promise all that you will save them. 

encourage you, in addition to surveying kids, as you have done, to speak with educators, and learn from their generations of experience, their successes and their failures.  Maybe you can learn something from them, and they can learn and be challenged by you. 

Rabbi Binyamin Krauss
Principal, SAR Academy

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I hope GD is smart enough not to respond to this self-serving attack with no basis. I know for a fact that there are many educators who agree with GD 100%.
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

Rabbi Krauss - You are the last person to be asking GD questions. You are way out of line. Why you ask? Why not tell all the blog's readers how much it costs (all in including junk fees) to send ONE child to SAR for first grade? Or one child to SAR High School?

Be honest and answer this question. After you do so, you will have zero credibility on this issue and you can then go back to enjoying your summer vacation.
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

End - It is your blog so you call the shots, but I thought Rabbi Krauss was disrespectful to GD. Also, I know how much SAR costs but I want Rabbi Krauss to step up to the plate with a straight face and tell everyone how much his school charges and only then criticize GD.
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The fact that GD ignited such a defensive response shows that what he is saying is 100% true. Ask almost any parent of a High Schooler and they will tell you that the schools are a joke. If people were generally satisfied, pleople like Rabbi Kraus would be ignoring GD.

This game has played out before. When HeAtid was announced, the same people cried about how it would never work, the exissting school are great, etc. Then GD proved them all wrong. He will do so again. Who wants to take the other side of that bet?
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

"Just don't do so by falsely claiming that the existing schools are failing and that you can offer an educationally superior product."

The schools may or may not be "failing" from an educational perspective but there can be no dispute that the schools are forcing many parents into financial ruin, which often leads to marital stress, depression and other bad things.

Enter GD to fix the problem......
"This game has played out before. When HeAtid was announced, the same people cried about how it would never work, the exissting school are great, etc. Then GD proved them all wrong. He will do so again. Who wants to take the other side of that bet?"

GD has proven nothing other than the fact that he could get a preschool off the ground in a years time with close to 2 million in funding. What has that proven so far? Nothing about quality of education or his claims of superiority, nothing about sustainability, nothing about creating a more "yiddishkeit" environment. He has proven nothing other than he can physically open a school.

Many of his major donors are nor supporting him anymore b/c of his tactics. He is cutting programs already in the 2nd year, they have many kinks etc.

Please tell me exactly what he has proven? that people will sign up for a cheaper school and put blind faith into a businessman regardless of anything that they offer just so the parents can upgrade their homes, go on more expensive vacations, and drive nicer cars, and have more kids that still need to be clothed,fed and college educated at a high cost. Pretty sad commentary on our community. javascript: postComment(0);
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What a small and petty letter.

I have great respect for SAR and the other schools. They certainly serve a vital and important role and many people are happy with them. But, what on Earth is the need for such an absurd letter to respond to an email about a school that doesn't even exist yet. Is there this much hatred and animosity in our communities? I really question the judgment of someone who races to respond in such a manner to something that exists only in an email at this point.

It's one thing for an anonymous Internet commenter on a blog to spout off in this manner, but the head of a school? I just don't get it at all.
It's stuff like this that are just over the top, petty, mean-spirited, and indicative of the absolutely intolerance within our communities for even the smallest of differences:

"Commitment- Will tefilla be optional or mandatory? Will there be a dress code? Kippot? Tzitzit? For the boys and the girls, just the boys, or neither?"
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

"Will there be a dress code? Kippot? Tzitzit? "

I was thinking the same thing! What does Rabbi Krauss think, that the boys will walk around the yeshiva high school in ripped jeans and with no kippah on?

It is silly season in the tri-state area. I'd like to give Rabbi Krauss a pass on his letter which was beneath him and his position. Maybe the extreme heat of the last few weeks got to him.
I think Rabbi' Kraus's reaction is exactly what most parents and community members hate and sickens us about our current school system and its leadership. More cynical people may say that GD's letter obviously struck a nerve, because a "respected" clergyman and educator who is supposed to educate our children and be a role model for them, decided to personally call out and attack people with the courage to change and help our community, knowing that they will be dragged in the mud by people like Rabbi Kraus and his backers.

Lets give credit to Rabbi Kraus, Its been a long time since a Modern Orthodox "Rabbi" shamelessly in a public venue attacked publicly someone who has tried to help our community in this manner, its normally done quietly, anonymously, or with quit wit. He does pull no punches.

On the other hand, Rabbi Kraus never discusses the out of control tuition increases, never discusses the financial model that SAR was contemplating to implement in his school, and frankly seems to be talking from an academic perch. He seems out of touch with reality. Maybe he cannot relate, but as someone who's institution that he leads preaches humility and civility we reflects bad on the school and those he purports to represent.

What he does not mention even once is the plight of the parents and the community as a whole, that the entire yeshiva system is currently unsustainable because of the cost of tuition. It is bankrupting communities and families. There needs to be a solution. Rabbi Kraus does not recognize this, and may not be able to recognize this.

His penmanship is more suitable on the op-ed pages of the Yated Ne'eman rather than a Modern Orthodox educator. That's the most disturbing part of it all.
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EmperorHasNoClothes · 609 weeks ago

You guys are nuts. I normally agree with JS, but I think he and some of the others are way off base. It's one thing for GD to claim he will open a lower cost HS. But to say he will fix all the other problems is ridiculous. Why would his school be perfect? Give me a break. I am grateful for his contributions to the community, but this sounds like a sales pitch. And why on earth would you base your curriculum on what 13-year olds think is important? If I let my kids have anything they wanted for dinner, we'd have lollipops and ice cream every night.
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GD did not claim to have all the answers. I read the e-mail as a challenge to do better - both educationally and financially. All of you harping on the survey didn't seem to read the rest of the e-mail. He specifically said that there are other factors to consider such as the views of parents. And if HeAtid is illustrative, I doubt GD will be designing the educational model. Just like he let Rabbi Gralla and other educators run with it at HeAtid, I'm sure he will do the same here.
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Been there Done that · 609 weeks ago

Looks like "Heatid High" has already crashed and burned....
I read a sales pitch, and saw a very petty response, which I don't get.

That said, it is certainly possible to create a solid education on a low cost model, you simply need to focus on those things. If you look at the cost escalation in education in generate (after inflation, it's doubled since the 1970s, with no measurable output increase), it's been a heavy increase in non teaching personnel, i.e. administrators.

The day school world has a tremendous number of administrators, and needs to provide parental attention requires lots of administrators.

If you focus on educational output and cost controls, you have a very different model than one that focuses on educational output and "warm nurturing environment."
Rabbi Kraus has some nerve. Here's a man who hasn't done anything to stop the out of control tuition increases.
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"But your letter sounds like a good campaign speech, with hollow promises that lack details, and are sure to disappoint"

Yeah, and you're running an actual institution that is bankrupting most families!
Sam (or GD, who knows?): Yeah, and you're running an actual institution that is bankrupting most families!

Ahh, that's the crux of it. All you people are about is money. Blended learning, computers, Khan method...this is obviously all crap. The vast majority of parents who send their kids to heatid are only looking to save money. I believe many, if not most, would have sent their kids to Shalom academy. Hey, I get it. Money is more important to you than anything. But let's not confuse the issue. If Heatid charged 15k/kid, they would have no students. If they hadn't been bankrolled by Avi Chai, they would be bankrupt by now. I respect the efforts of Distenfeld to find an affordable solution., However, his recent actions are rather disgusting. I hope his methods of criticizing everyone else are not the methods and ethics he is imparting to his students.
Let's not kid ourselves here. All of the schools are receiving philanthropic/communal/foundation money to help pay the bills. Not just HeAtid.
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Abraham I. · 609 weeks ago

What's up fellow people who make comments! I've always found the title of this blog ironic "Trying to bring sanity to the discussion...". I've read all the comments for a few years now and I feel like you can't make a comment unless you're a conspiracy theorist, or have an unhealthful obsession, for or against, He'atid. I always get a good smirk on my face when someone brings up He'atid even when the blog posting is about different cuts of french fries. I do think it's pretty cool that you can just make up ANYTHING without a shred of proof, and flippantly pass it off as fact. Maybe I'll try that one day so I can see how that feels. I sent my son to He'atid pre-k last year. It worked out. With all the money I saved I redid my bathroom, and don't think for a second I got the tiles from Home Depot, I'm not cheap when it comes to my tiles. If you think I'm being a selfish parent and throwing my kid's future under the bus to save a few bucks, YOU REALLY NEED TO CHECK OUT MY BATHROOM.
Just got the following e-mail from GD-

Thank you for signing up to receive updates on this important new initiative. We also thank the many of you who sent us personal words of encouragement. Please understand if we couldn’t reply personally to every missive we received. They are all valued and appreciated.

The response has been overwhelming with scores of people volunteering to participate in focus groups, far more than we require at this stage.

In order to be most productive, we want to keep the number of participants in each group to no more than 10 so we apologize that we can’t include everyone in this first group of meetings.

You will be notified shortly if invited to one of the meetings and be asked to confirm your availability. Please do not view it negatively if not selected. This is only the initial stage to give us an idea of the broad direction we should be pursuing. There will be plenty of opportunities (and need) for many people to get involved in this project going forward. We will begin soliciting people who are interested in serving one of several working committees at a later date.

One last thing: We are looking for volunteers to host these focus groups. Please respond if you’re willing to host on one of the following dates at 8:30pm (which will also guarantee that you participate):

Sunday 7/28

Monday 8/5

Tuesday 8/6

Monday 8/12

Thanks again for your quick response and interest in participating. We will keep you informed as this develops.

Gershon

Jeff
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Rabbi Krauss raises important questions and is correct in calling out Distenfeld and Kiderman. I wonder how those who post here attacking the Rabbi would feel if someone approached their boss or posted on their company's website - Joe Blow (or Sam or End Welfare or Miami Al or JS) are doing a crappy job that can be done for less money by someone else based on research that is irrelevant to their job and claims that are unfounded. Fortunately, for us, most boss's would ignore the ridiculous claims but why wouldn't any of us feel compelled to respond? The piling on with attacks on the Rabbi and claims that he is bankrupting parents is further proof that some people posting here have become unhinged.

The Rabbi's note and the questions he raises are fair. Distenfeld and Kiderman are backed by incredibly wealthy people who are willing to bet on new schools that are run in a bare bones way to lower costs for now and at the same time use experimental techniques to try and educate children despite the lower costs. Maybe they will succeed, maybe they won't. It is worthwhile to try but it is also important to question and push back on ridiculous spam emails like the one that was sent out that maligns the current schools and throws out everything but the kitchen sink to get people interested in their school.
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

Rabbi Krauss seemed cheap and petty in his email. Most people I spoke to about this agree. GD really hit a nerve. otherwise he would have been ignored. Go GD! Keep fighting for the common folk.
"I wonder how those who post here attacking the Rabbi would feel if someone approached their boss or posted on their company's website - Joe Blow (or Sam or End Welfare or Miami Al or JS) are doing a crappy job that can be done for less money by someone else based on research that is irrelevant to their job and claims that are unfounded."

This happens all the time in business world. It's called competition. Maybe you've heard of it. Free market capitalism. What a novel concept.

The Rabbi has done nothing to make education more affordable and now he's going to get some competition attempting to do just that. If he believes in the superiority of his product, what is he worried about? The market will decide who is right.
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Been there Done that · 609 weeks ago

Yes, Go End Welfare Go! Keep ripping your competition. Everyone knows that all the local schools are ripoffs, provide a horrible education and only exist to help lazy teachers and administrators to steal money from poor hardworking parents. The only true school is heatid. Every other school should close immediately before we forcibly bankrupt them.

Did you learn your tactics through Stalin?

Does GD agree with you?
Why is it that HeAtid elicits this emotional response from people, when other new education initiatives like Yeshiva Noam did not ? Yeshivat Noam presented a very different way of teaching. Yeshivat Noam was revolutionary in their attitudes and techniques in grading and testing, yet it was not met with the level of scorn that He'Atid is (even before the GD email). Yeshivat Noam was also a threat to other schools and unquestionably hurt enrollment at Moriah. Still, people did not battle with Noam the way they do with He'Atid. The only difference I see is that He'Atid says we will not charge and we will not spend the same amounts of money. This, for some reason, angers people, especially those who are working in the current existing schools. Why is that ?
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

"This, for some reason, angers people, especially those who are working in the current existing schools. Why is that ?"

The common folk are just now starting to realize - thanks to GD and others - that they have been getting hosed by the legacies for decades when quality education could have been much more affordable all along.
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

"There was no need for HeAtid to open at a time when the schools ought to have been consolidating."

Other than to prevent more parents from going bankrupt of course......
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

"My bet is none....let's not be so overly dramatic here."

What if I replaced "go bankrupt" with not save for retirement or go further into credit card debt. Would that really make a big difference versus going bankrupt for purposes of this conversation?
ROTFL,

In my life, I work with and compete with companies all over the planet. Some have cheaper labor costs, some have cheaper technology costs, everyone has their advantages. If I can't provide my customers with a great service at a good price, I lose them. I get beat up on price all the time.

I've lost business when other people have access to cheaper inputs. Sometimes our relationship preserves the account, sometimes it doesn't. However, I don't send out messages to my clients insulting my competition, it would just make me look petty and small.

The Rabbi might be 100% correct in everything he wrote. Doesn't change the fact that by the tone and tenor of the email, he made himself look smaller in the process, and made his institution look smaller.

The correct, response, in my opinion is: we welcome new competition in the Day School Market. We believe that we are providing an outstanding education at the best price we can, and we are always working on both improving the education and reducing the price.

We with Mr. D. luck in his initiative to create a lower cost high school model. We will, of course, be monitoring their achievements like we monitor all advancements in education, and anything that is a proven cost reducer or educational booster that we inadvertently missed will be incorporated into our program here at SAR.

We think that Mr. D will find that his simplified models are missing many of the hidden costs that make private schooling as expensive as it is, but we are hopeful that through his work, he will find things that all Jewish schools can incorporate.

In evaluating that right educational choice for your most precious possession, your children, we hope that you will pick the school that is right for your family, and for many families, we believe that SAR will be it.

Instead he wrote a petty and childish response, which would have me question the judgement of the person.
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I am not sure how the legacy schools will survive in this economic environment especially in light of he atid. It seems like many middle class full paying parents are pulling out of legacy or at least sending their younger children to he atid while parents on large scholarships are staying at the legacy. If the number of full payers continues to drop and number of scholarships remains the same or more likely rises seems like legacies are in trouble.
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Wrong He'Atid only has 2 classes of pre-k. Maybe it's not all its cracked up to be.
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Jewish Observer · 609 weeks ago

curious about the teachers at He'Atid. Where do most of them hail from, what types of degrees? What do you parents think of these teachers? What do you think of the principal? I realize he came from a high school background rather than elementary - is that evident in any way or to the contrary? thanks.
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true impact · 609 weeks ago

pre-k is only 2 classes next year? Wow. I was told for them to be at economy of scale they required continued donations and 3-4 classes per grade as they build out. The school needs to focus more on their model, attraction, positive message, to expand their enrollment or, in a few years from now, there will be deeper financial issues with the program. There is ALWAYS some attrition - aliyah, relocation, etc. If you have only 2 classes, trying to keep them in mid-20s to maximize costs, what happens when 4 or 8 kids leave after a few years. Again, i am not saying anyone is leaving due to being UNHAPPY with the product of He'Atid...just natural attrition. If you have 4 classes of pre-k, should there be several families that move, 4 classes of 21, for example, could become 3 classes of 75 by 2nd or 3rd grade...what will happen when you are at 1.5 classes? Make it one class of 35?
All legacy schools have small PKs. There are a ton of cheaper options available. I heard that they have over 70 kids for K. That's the real barometer.
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago

"pre-k is only 2 classes next year?"

The building is at max capacity. Wow! You really don't know anything about Heatid. They couldn't have a 3rd pre-k bc there is no room in the building! This isn't my opinion - this is a FACT!
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true impact · 609 weeks ago

Dont they lease 2 buildings, side by side? Why is one building not being used if they are paying rent for it? Couldn't the "capacity" issue get resolved by simply having 1 or 2 2nd grade classes next door? I think Noam did this for many years.
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Open House · 609 weeks ago

I was at a parlor meeting and spoke to several board members. I was told economy of scale formula requires 4 classes per grade at He'Atid under their proposed budget plan. Do they have 4 classes in any grade at this time?
They are using both buildings this year. They are literally at capacity.
I still don't understand why HeAtid is treated with suck skepticism. I'll concede that we don't yet know whether or not it will work. But we do know with 100% certainty that the law gary schools are bankrupting our community. The average family just can't afford to pay $15k per kid anymore. So at least give He'Atid the benefit of the doubt to see whether they can succeed.
In fairness to Rabbi Krauss and anyone upset by GD's letter, it was a pretty sloppy bit of PR. I am for most of GDs goals but if I was a principal, teacher, administrator or even parent of child who attends a Yeshiva High School, I would find his letter very insulting. He should focus on what He'atid high can do right and not what every other school is doing wrong.
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Dr. Stratton · 406 weeks ago

NY State figures show Westchester Torah Academy / WTA total enrollment is down 6% from the 2015/16 to the 2016/17 school year. This is even after they added their 4th grade class and before Mark Nordlicht's / Platinum Partner's legal troubles surfaced.

Further, their Pre-K class in 2015/16 was 37 students and just 15 in 2016/17. And, of those 37 Pre-K students, only about 1/2 went onto the Kindergarten.

It will be interesting to see if Mark Nordlicht's legal troubles impact the 2017/18 enrollment. Likewise, any idea why enrollment dropped even before Mark Nordlicht's legal issues became known?

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