First off, let me say that I believe the overall quality of the Jewish high school system to be outstanding. I am blown away by the quality of education being offered our high schoolers. But this quality has come at a devastating cost and price to our community. The emphasis of trying to get our kids into the best colleges, offer the most extra curriculars, the most AP’s, the arms race to attract the best and most expensive teachers, has not come cheaply and is in fact crippling our community. We are losing countless students to public schools, less Jewish children are being born, marriages are strained, and we are fostering resentment towards religion amongst our parents due to this unfortunate situation of ever escalating tuition costs.
I believe that in their zealousness to address the ever escalating costs of high school education and to assure parents that their children will still be receiving a quality education even at a lower price point, Gershon and Jeff overreached and were off base in attacking the quality of our educational system. You correctly call them to task for it. They have acknowledged their mistake. That having been said, I would be remiss if I did not respectfully point out you have engaged in some overreaching of your own and in the spirit of everyone learning from each other, I think there are some things that Gershon in his actions has accomplished in the last few years you are not giving enough credit to.
Your dismissiveness of Yeshivat Heatid is unfortunate. You say you are skeptical a quality Jewish education can be offered at half the price . But why? It is being done at Yeshivat Heatid . Yeshivat Heatid will be cash flow break even towards the end of next year and by all accounts, parent satisfaction of education quality is extremely high, they have attracted quality teachers and are offering a top notch Jewish education. Westchester Torah Academy has likewise attracted top notch educators. These are real live living and breathing institutions that are not just talking but acting to make a difference to ease the devastating financial burdens of our community. Just as you were rightly offended by what you perceived as an assault on the level of education in the Jewish high school movement, we in the affordable Jewish education movement are offended by your attack on our newly formed schools and on the existing schools we are working with such as HALB (that is roughly half the price of SAR and has been in existence just as long) whose leaders are credentialed educators who also give a lot of thought into best practices in education and are providing children with a high quality Jewish education. You say time will tell whether these institutions can be successful? Why? They are incredibly successful already. Quality of education has subjective elements to it. Affordability does not. Our schools are offering a price point that works for the community. The higher “quality” schools, should they continue as the only options in the community, clearly do not.
Rabbi Krauss, you know I admire your contribution to Jewish education and feel that SAR day school thanks to your leadership, is the very best in Jewish day school education, but your implication that a school like SAR high school at nearly 35 k a year is the ONLY way to serve the community is misguided and must be denounced in the strongest terms. We are not saying that all schools must adopt cost cutting and innovative teaching methods we espouse but we do feel very strongly that there needs to be an affordable option in all major population centers where successful Jewish parents earning north of 250k annually can send their child, receive a quality education and not have to get undressed asking for scholarship.
I think taking a step back and examining Gershon’s actions in regards to starting a new high school in Bergen County is helpful. Gershon first met with administrators, educators and board members of existing high schools before embarking on his journey. Only after coming up empty in these meetings did he admirably throw down the gauntlet and say enough is enough. Gershon is launching an exploratory venture to launch a new institution that will provide a quality high school Jewish education at a price point that will accommodate parents across all income levels. Of course he doesn’t have the answers yet, he is at the beginning of a very important journey and while he may have overreached as to the need for better education, I think it’s equally clear he UNDERSTATED the need for an affordable, high quality option. Incredibly, that is something in 2013 that IS unavailable in the current marketplace.
We need to think from the bottom up. Let’s start with what can the community afford and then figure out how we can offer the most within that budget. I think as Gershon and others have proven in the day school arena, we will find the answer to be a lot. Gershon has consulted and intends to consult and learn from as many educators as possible. Any suggestion to the contrary is unfair.
We at AJE have not made a decision whether to support Gershon financially in this new high school. But given what he has accomplished on the day school level, I imagine when all is said and done, we will. The 80 percent in our community, the middle earners, have been neglected for far too long and the movement kicked off by Gershon and his co-founders at the day school level has at long last brought relief and a ray of hope. I hope you can forgive him for his overzealousness in promoting his exploratory venture given what he has accomplished in a short time for Jewish education, reversing a destructive trend that was forty years in the making.
Mark Nordlicht
Founder, Affordable Jewish Education Project
Trying to bring sanity to the discussion of Yeshiva Day School tuition in Bergen County, NJ
Friday, July 26, 2013
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
Guest 2 · 609 weeks ago
I still don't understand how AJE or GD or anyone can claim victory in the low cost high quality day school option after just 1 year with an early childhood. You will need at least 5 years to see the sustainability of the model. once they embark on middle school, have a building and the volunteer enthusiasm has subsided
Miami Al · 609 weeks ago
Now he has a high school being legitimized with SAR, one of the top Jewish Prep Schools in the nation.
Rabbi Krauss screwed up, BADLY. He dragged his established institution with a proven track record into the gutter and rendered himself an equal to a guy whose run a two grade elementary school with an attached PreK and so far has only sent out an email.
And with his poorly written communication, he backed people into a corner to virtually pledge their support for GD's new High School.
How can this be anything but a victory for GD's vapor-school?
Peter · 609 weeks ago
thatguy · 609 weeks ago
i also would love to hear about how excellent education is measured for lower elementary grades. are there tests that the students took that can be compared to other schools?
Peter · 609 weeks ago
End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
Guest1 · 609 weeks ago
Was there a parent survey done? Was there a teacher survey? How have you gathered the results of the current education model and student outcomes? Whatever the tests or subjective elements are, if you've got this in the bag, share so other schools can learn.
Mark 50p · 609 weeks ago
Furthermore, why is it legitimate to have schools separated by hashkafa, but not separated by affordability? Especially when the differences of hashkafa are often quite small (see "narcissism of small differences").
Shabbat Shalom everyone.
Guest · 609 weeks ago
"Gershon and Jeff overreached and were off base in attacking the quality of our educational system. You correctly call them to task for it. They have acknowledged their mistake."
When did they acknowledge their mistake?
Are you saying that Gershon and Jeff no longer believe the schools are "failing"?
What then was the point of the survey?
It's nice in this day and age for people to say they are wrong and apologize when making a mistake. But has anyone heard GD admiting he was wrong? If so could you point to the place where he did that?
End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
Ain't nothing "wrong" about saving parents from dire financial straits by founding Heatid. If anything, the only "wrong" GD committed was not resigning from a certain legacy school's board years earlier and getting Heatid off the ground even sooner than he ultimately did.
The Truth · 609 weeks ago
First, if you read his initial email he actually used the word "EXCELLENT" when referring to the existing schools.
Second, he only used the word "FAILING" when referring to whether or not our schools are imparting a love of yiddishkeit in our children. Is that such an outlandish statement? I do not think so.
Finally, he stated that our existing schools are in need of improvement. Do you really disagree with that? Are you saying that he is wrong in that regard, that our schools are actually perfect in every regard?
JS_ · 609 weeks ago
End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
What's even more embarrassing is that the middle class of Bergen County ($175k - 275k) of been putting up with the nonsense and insane pricing of the legacy schools for as long as we did. We should be embarrassed of ourselves. We let the Winthrop Board Members (not including GD) run ripshod over all of us for decades while those on scholarship and those who are Winthrops get all the breaks.
Guest · 609 weeks ago
Abraham I. · 609 weeks ago
JS_ · 609 weeks ago
The issue is that from the perspective of the existing schools (such as SAR), their pricing model is extremely fair. They set a certain price and then collect donations so they can give out scholarships to whoever cannot afford that price. They would argue if you cannot afford to pay, we have ample scholarships available, just apply for it. In a sense, what they're arguing is that all they do is engage in price discrimination.
From their perspective, the real issue is that high income earners who are pinched don't want to apply for scholarships and feel unsuccessful or degraded. They think the answer is "middle class" abatements.
That's really what's going on here.
Guest1 · 609 weeks ago
Since Berei**** the Jewish community has continued because of the transfer of Judaism through the home from generation to generation. Only in the last 50-60 years is there a concept of day school education. There is absolutely a huge value to an inclusive Jewish education. I'm not going to debate that. However the price that the community is currently paying and will continue to pay is just far too great.
There must be some level of sanity being brought to this discussion. People need to stop being sheep and devise a realistic plan with local public school systems that will provide a workable solution for a talmud torah. You might say it's not inclusive and you don't want to expose your children to "goyim" but it's preparing our dear children for the real world where they will need to interact with those outside the 4 walls of Teaneck. The mormons do it. There is no reason why we can't do it too. Everyone is simply too scared.
You can read more about "release" for religious education below.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765603214/Hebr...
Joe · 609 weeks ago
I have no idea as to whether what Mr. Distenfeld is suggesting is a good idea or not, but I do find it humerous that he's being criticized for something than any unbiased observer knows. We are failing. It's not the fault of any particular educator or school, many of which are doing good work and are well-meaning. It's just an undeniable fact at this point.
Fail · 609 weeks ago
public · 609 weeks ago
The stigma and status of using public schools in our communities, if you ask me, is the REAL issue. If a family with 4 kids used public school, 1 kid in HS, 3 in k-8, they are saving about 70-75k after tax dollars. The children can have hand's one Jewish camp experience, 2-3 weeks in Israel and a Jewish tutor 2x a week for well, well under 70-75k. Perhaps the family puts 10k away for children's college education. 10k for retirement. 25k a year less in debt.
I know many think it is nuts, but perhaps this is what is a LONG-TERM solution for many families.
End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
Peter · 609 weeks ago
End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
In fairness, I don't think all of the disinterest in Judaism can be blamed on the legacy institutions. At least some of it comes from adults thinking critically for the first time about whether everything they were taught about the religion really is true.
ROTFL · 609 weeks ago
"Only after coming up empty in these meetings did he admirably throw down the gauntlet and say enough is enough.". Coming up empty from what? He never solicited their help or partnership just told them he was opening competition. The points in Norlicht's note imply that somehow he reached out but was rebuffed when this was never the case. I don't understand the need to imply otherwise except to show somehow how reasonable Distenfeld is when in truth he has been incredibly combative and at times openly offensive towards the current schools when it was never warranted.
Steve · 609 weeks ago
Just admit your school is chevy to the legacy school's lexus model and I think you will solve most of the problems. Of course, when you try to convince everyone that your chevy is a lexus (and that the lexus has massive problems) is when you raise the ire of everyone else in the community.
End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
I don't know as much about the high school situation, but anyone who knows anything, knows that GD worked long and hard to try and get legacy schools (and one in particular) to reform their ways before giving up on them and founding Heatid.
public · 609 weeks ago
public · 609 weeks ago
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End Welfare · 609 weeks ago
You think bc a school charges more that this means they are providing a better product than a school that charges less?
Steve · 609 weeks ago
If that's true, there goes the heatid model right down the toilet. They are the best example of living off Avi Chai and donor welfare.
Shalom · 609 weeks ago
Guest1 · 609 weeks ago
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765603214/Hebr...
Daniel Rosen · 609 weeks ago
Honesty · 609 weeks ago
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Jerry · 608 weeks ago
am rosenfeld · 608 weeks ago
Dan - Legacy high schools frequently give lip service to your poetic notion that in their esteemed buildings and hallways Kodesh and Chol are intertwined (our family certainly bought into this). In reality even well respected administrators can lose sight of this lofty ideal and act in ways which detract the Kodesh from the Chol.
Public schools (in the middot department) are not all bad and Yeshivot are not all good & visa versa. As a graduate of Yeshvia of Flatbush H.S, in the late 70's, I'm all for providing the present generation of kids with a full time Hebrew day school education rich in a love of Yehadut and Tziyonut but not if it places undue financial burden on families in our community. Kol Hakavod to leaders such as Mr. Distenfeld who are seeking to turn what is currently an unsustainable day school system into a sustainable one and improve the quality of education in the process.
Jonathan · 608 weeks ago
charter · 608 weeks ago
Peter · 608 weeks ago
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Questions · 608 weeks ago
How is He'Atid planning to measure quality? There must be some objective way of assessing how the education compares to other cheaper and more expensive options.
Let's eliminate the debate and recriminations and just get the facts.
Steve · 608 weeks ago
Of course it is. Why would anyone incorporate ideas from a school started by a junk bond trader that is living on subsidies and has the vast experience of running a kindergarten for a year?
Thanks for a good laugh!
End Welfare · 608 weeks ago
I'll take the "bond trader" over the "esteemed" Rabbis and Winthrops who have been running the legacy schools the past few decades and under whose watch legacy schools became unaffordable to the middle class.
Thanks for playing Steve!
Joe · 608 weeks ago
Questions · 608 weeks ago
Been there Done that · 608 weeks ago
Look at it this way. Suppose you were scheduled for surgery. You have a team of respected doctors who advise a certain procedure that has been successful thousands of times. Then along comes some businessman who read a couple of books of new surgical techniques and tries to convince you to try something new. The kicker is that his method is moderately cheaper than conventional surgery. Would anyone take his advice?
I am frankly amazed here at the few parents who have been taken in by a guy with zero educational experience who is purporting to tell us that they are wrong and he is right. I strongly suspect that most of them would send to a charter school if they could. The point is, what price do our children have to us? The Torah speaks at some people who's money is more precious to them than their lives or their children. Until I saw this from the postings on this blog, it was hard to believe that people like that exist. However, I now realize that is unfortunately true.
I'm not going to argue over the high cost of education. Unfortunately, it is high everywhere, including public school, with the the difference being that PS charges no tuition. However, the costs are still there. I also understand what an incredible burden this is on parents. However, what I don't understand is how parents failed to realize this before they moved here. Teaneck/Englewood is a very expensive place to live. There are cheaper places like Brooklyn and Staten Island. Trying to live here in order to go on fabulous vacations and build new kitchens at the expense of our children is just so wrong on so many levels. If you don't see this, I'm really sorry.