Welcome back everyone!
Well Pesach has come & gone & I still haven't seen or heard any announcements of the fee schedules for the upcoming school year from any of the local YDS's except He'atid and BPY.
Anyone else think it's odd that we are asked to give a non-refundable deposit for something that we don't even know the price for? By the time they announce the prices it's too late for us to back out without losing our deposits. Is that even legal?
Monday, April 16, 2012
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duhhh · 676 weeks ago
Next year will either be:
A ) Flat
B ) a tiny bit lower
C) a tiny bit higher
People other than those sending to He'atid did not base their school decisions on price.
Yeshiva_Dad 69p · 676 weeks ago
Whether a school raises or lowers tuition by, say, $500, makes a difference of $1000 per child. For a family with 3 children in YDS that's a difference of $3,000 every year. That would be a factor for many of us for which school we choose though it certainly would not be the only factor.
But it doesn't seem right even for a "tiny" amount to charge us & then let us know the price. Imagine if that was tried in other industries?
JS (hello) · 676 weeks ago
All evidence is to the contrary. The administrators are right - people only care about nonsense not price. You can argue why that's the case (social pressure, scholarships, etc) but it certainly seems to be true.
Also, the choice is rarely raise by $500 or lower by $500, the choice is between one of those and keeping tuition flat. So, it's not really the full swing between the 2 extremes that should be considered.
Reading through comments on Chump's blog for a few minutes shows people care more about jackets than saving a few thousand dollars.
duhhh · 676 weeks ago
I disagree. The tuition "crisis" has nothing to do with what you have said. Over the years parents have demanded a better quality of education/facility with more "bell & whistles" as people like to say. At the same time, the staff demanded more competitive salaries. Combine that with the economic problems of our country, which lead to lower large gift donations ( to subsidize tuition) and lower salary levels/bonuses/commissions and increase cost of all goods and utilities across the board used by the schools.
By your logic, Noam and BPY would have no incoming PK & K students, since Yavneh, Morah & YNJ are cheaper, yet Yavneh and Moriah are the ones hurting the most. Price does not factor when the margins are relatively slim.
Schools can't budget until they know their enrollment, they can't know their enrollment until students actually enroll. It would be irresponsible on the part of the schools to announce tuition rates prior to knowing enrollment.
JS (hello) · 676 weeks ago
The schools have been in business for years (some for decades) the business managers should know how to make accurate projections and set budgets properly. If not, why are they employing these people?
MgNh · 675 weeks ago
You know why.
Jeff · 676 weeks ago
It's probably legal from a civil standpoint, but I wonder from a halchic standpoint if anyone has analyzed it. In any case, it really smells bad.
Yeshiva_Dad 69p · 676 weeks ago
As far as expensive schools still getting students, as I said there are other factors besides price but price IS a factor. Except maybe to those who are very wealthy or are getting staff discounts or big scholarships. Look at how many teachers send their kids to the schools where they teach. Do you think that's a coincidence or does it have something to do with the money they are saving with the staff discounts.
JS (hello) · 676 weeks ago
You're looking at this the wrong way. Rather, it's "Look at how many people choose to teach and then send their kids to those schools." You put the cart in front the horse - your cause and effect is mixed up.
Our communities have scores of unqualified and underqualified parents posing as educators to get tuition breaks. The schools hire them because it's cheap labor and the parents don't seem to mind their children aren't being educated by qualified persons.
Joe · 675 weeks ago